Tuesday, February 28, 2006

A Classic White Separatist Apologetic

Being one of those bloggers who posts in spurts, I still enjoy surfing and reading other's thoughts. Some of the gems that I find are buried deep in discussion threads as opposed to being stand-alone posts. One in particular I came across recently I'll past here in full. It is from MajorityRights dot com. If you've never been there and you are interested in the plight of our people, you should. The site itself is a mixed bag as far as whether I believe it is valuable to the survival of the White Race but generally it is excellent. The host goes by the moniker "Guessedworker" and he is very fair minded and thick skinned. He allows many contributors who are not assets to our cause in my view. One is an IQ-fetishist who could care less about the White Race per se, but rather that the human IQ be maximized whether it be through Asians, Jews, or some mix. Another comes very close to Steve Sailer's "Citizenism"; again wanting to maximize the types of people who provide for a productive society irrespective of whether they are White or not. All the rest of the members, those who make the initial postings, are what I would consider White Nationalists of various stripes.

Now the post that follows is from one of the contributors who was responding within someone else's thread titled "Black Aggression". Here is the link:

JW Holliday's retort was to an anti-racist (i.e. an anti-White racist) labelled June Gordon (better named Jewn Gordon) who trolls there on occasion. It is a classic that should be, or at least something very close to it, a part of our apologetic arsenal. Here it is in italics:

If I may paraphrase an argument that Svigor often uses:-

Why do people like “June Gordon”, Tim Wise, the GNXPers, all non-white “Americans”, white liberals, Jews, etc. so very much want to live in the same nation as us “dumber-than-Asians, more-criminal-than-blacks, less-noble-than-Jews, less-hardworking-than-Hispanics, criminal white gentile Americans?”

If all we want is to be separate, then why can’t we have an amicable separation. Each side can have a good-sized, ecologically viable, pleasant and productive territory. We can have - with full freedom of speech and no media monopolization - a honest public discussion of the merits of homogeneity vs. diversity for each population group, and then give members of each group a choice between a homogenous national state, or the multiracial, diverse rump America.

Forget about the details for the moment, let us keep the issue crystal clear. Let us focus on the principle of the matter.

Why must these folks force us to live in the same nation as them? Assuming that everyone has free choice, and everyone has the option of a ecologically sound, pleasant state, then what’s the problem? Do they really love us so much, that they cannot live apart from us? What’s the fascination with living amongst us stupid, violent white gentile, racist Americans? You’d think that given how much blacks complain about white racism, that they’d be begging us to leave them be. Yet, it’s the other way around, white flight tries to flee from “people of color”, and the “people of color” keep on following the whites. No matter how much whites want to be separate (in practice, if not overtly), they are forced to be integrated.

Isn’t it pathological to want to live amongst people who you believe hate you and wish to do you harm? A large fraction of blacks think that whites intentionally infect their community with diseases, flood their community with drugs, discriminate against them, flooded the levees in New Orleans, etc. If that is the case, and whites are so viciously racist, then, why don’t blacks and others demand to be as far away from us as possible?

After all, if blacks really are as capable as whites, and if the only thing holding them back is white racism and the legacy of that racism in history, then, by golly, all they need to do is be separate from whites and they’ll build their all-black community into a “shining city on a hill.”

Why don’t racial liberals wish to help blacks be free of the racist white parasites tormenting these intelligent, peaceful, and noble men and women of color?

The rallying cry of the racial liberal should be: “freedom and self-determination for people of color! Get as far away from the racist white devil as possible.”

Or do they believe that without a white majority, any rump America would become Detroit or New Orleans?

And they believe that, given all the facts, and given free choice, the “white devils” will run away from the people they are allegedly tormenting as quickly as possible?
Posted by JW Holliday on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 at 12:15 AM | #

Since most White Nationalists are better described as separatists than supremacists (the distinction of which is worthy of its own post) JW's logic pins our enemies completely. They have no retort other than their typical obfuscation or straw-man arguments. Why are we constantly being called evil and deemed worthy of genocide by our jewish dominated establishment when we are simply trying to live in peace in our own lands? Simply because the elite have deemed it necessary for progress (Liberals), profits (the rich gentiles), and supposed peace (Jewry). They all agree on the end state though their motivations vary between idealism, greed, and malice.

When the majority of Whites finally see and agree that we have a right to be LEFT ALONE if we chose, the current stagnant political situation could change and fast.

Let us hope and work in whatever ways we can to bring that about. Bravo JW.


jlh said...


Sometimes I fear that nothing is really going to change in this country until we have a drastic downturn in world economic fortunes of the type predicted by the peak oil theorists. If everybody had to go back to a hand to mouth situation, then all these ideas that get batted around are no longer abstract. If the government ever loses power, and the transportation/communications infrastructure goes offline due to energy shortages, the world could get small, local and dangerous again. Tribalism could come back in a hurry. Who are you going to entrust your survival to? People of your own kin group, that's who. As it stands now, all of these aliens flock to white lands to partake of the better organized, more fair and humane societies found there. Trouble is, we've lost control over who we let in and what the ground rules are. If everything goes to hell, we might yet see a chance to redefine our destiny on our own terms -- as much as that is humanly possible, that is.

Mark said...

One thing that gives me some hope is that I believe that what actually ends up triumphing in the end is the truth. By truth I mean ideas that most closely conform to reality. So for example, I think these things are truths:

* Race does matter. People do feel kinship with their race over other races, as they do their family over non-family-members.

* White people have a proven track record as the most capable on earth of marshalling resources and organizing people for conquest and prosperity. Blacks are hopeless at this, hispanics barely less hopeless. Asians are very competant but weakened by inflexible worship of authority and lack of creativity. Arabs are all heat and passion and not enough IQ to create or organize enough to be a real threat to determined whites.

* People do reevaluate their beliefs when the evidence that they are wrong becomes strong enough.

So, I do believe a critical mass of whites will wake up in time to save our race. The question will be how much war or terrorism or crime we will have to suffer before that happens. If we are lucky, arabs will do the job for us by continuing to commit enough ridiculous atrocities fast enough.

But if we are unlucky, and we do not wake up quickly, and we become a political minority in our own country, we will still survive because we are the best fighters on earth. A few conquistadors defeated the entire Aztec empire.

Whites will wake up sooner or later. We will because the truth of the way life works requires that we do, and people always eventually come back to the truth. False ideas always eventually are demonstrated to be wrong. There may be only a tenth of us left then, but that tenth will be toughened and immune to the same kinds of mistakes we have made. And as long as we don't have to fight asians in north america, we can lick the hispanics and blacks and arabs with our hands tied behind our backs.

wjg said...


I have become somewhat fatalistic on this subject as well. As of now things do seem hopeless; we are surrounded on all fronts and most of our people are not only clueless (by the design of the Establishment) but they are also apathetic (due to the unending demonization of our people by the Establishment).

The biggest disappointment of all is the sellout of the Church. It is now completely subordinate to Jewry; Jewry is the potter, the Church is the clay. I have more hope that the atheistic White liberals will come around sooner than the typical Evangelical. Neo-Babelism is now at the center of Dispensational Christianity which in turn is the dominant paradigm in the evangelical world. Since 'racism' is now considered a horrible sin the institutional church may become our worst enemy. I hope I am wrong.

The one positive thing we have that many ancient White Nations which died or were crippled by racial dysgenics (Egypt, Greece, Rome, Spain, etc.) is an awareness of its happening while there is still time to act. The one thing we don't have that they did is a future wellspring to regroup in should we fail. The entire white world is in jeopardy today and has been specifically earmarked for extinction. If we fail this time our race my be lost forever in the puddle of mocha sapienism.

The wildcard in all this are the unknowable dynamics of the future. We do have the truth on our side and it is aching to get out into the light of day. The catastrophes that you hint at may be the very things that allow the truth of racial differences to overwhelm our enemies who currently supress it.

The only things most of us can do now may seem very small but as the fable tells eventually one straw broke the camel's back. For now we have to keep chipping away and look after our own as best we can.

wjg said...


Good points. I completely agree that the truth of human racial differences is on our side. Our enemies are doing there damndest to just ignore this truth until it goes away by the White Race being destroyed through amalgamation and sterility.

It amazes me how brazenly hypocritical our enemies are and how dim-witted their white lackeys are. Our real enemies know race exists and that is why they are working so hard to destroy us. The typical white castrati who are anti-racial buy the ridiculous line that race doesn't exist but if it does the White Race is evil therefore we need to be eliminated through progressivism.

You would think the eunuchs would say, "Whoa, if race doesn't exist then why do we need all these public agendas which are anti-White?", or "If race does exist and all the races are identical why are Africa and most of Asia such hell-holes?"

The truth is on our side but time is not.

I agree that if we wake up our people will do just fine in any conflict. We are endowed with a fusion of warrior attributes that is unrivalled; audacity, bravery, smarts, adaptability. The group that could give us the toughest fight, East Asians are, of all the racial groups, least our enemy right now.

Can we hold out until our people wake up?

John Brown's body said...


Your latest article involves an issue that is finding its way ever more frequently onto the sites that I read (Majority Rights included): Geographical separation of the races.

Although JW Holliday wants to “Forget about the details for the moment…”, there is one detail that should never be put aside, not even for a second: The question of what will be the nature of this geographical separation?

I, too, would like to see a geo-separation of the races, by force if necessary, but I strongly oppose the breaking up of our nation to achieve it. Even if we could ever be strong enough to force Washington to accept such an arrangement, I would oppose it, and anyone wanting a PERMANENT fix to our society’s ills should resist any such move made by any and all parties.

wjg said...


By saving our "nation" I suspect you mean what is now called the United States of America. Our real nation is our people. As much as I think it is noble to want to save what was once the wondrous creation of our ancestors, it is also unrealistic. The USA has been corrupted and perverted to such a degree that it is better to let it fade away or go down in flames, as is fate's wont.

I hear you and for a short while was most interested in trying to save the USA. This is what our enemies would like us to do, since it would be akin to the Charge of the Light Brigade - folly. They keep poisoning the USA and we keep trying to save her while our real treasure, our race, is lost in the bargain. Let America die. It is expendable. If our race survives with sufficient viability we will recreate something much better the next time. If our race is cast into the miscegenatic mud not only will the USA be a moot point but there will be no future political conceptions to exceed it. Only the naked New World Order and a commoditized humanity.

That doesn't change your question of what type of separation is to occur. It is very important to resolve this. A lot more needs to be discussed about this as our people, hopefully, continue to awaken.

Let's not try to save the USA. Not only is it terminal but it should be terminal. Empires always have died thank God. Otherwise our race would have long ago been wiped out in an indistinguishable mass of black haired, brown eyed, brown skinned, compliant humanity. The Mestizos are perfect cogs in the NWO, we are not.